Will Bangsaphan go the same way as Hua Hin?

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Will Bangsaphan go the same way as Hua Hin?

Yes, we're all imminently doomed, they're here already
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13%
Eventually but not for quite a while so enjoy it now
10
67%
No, there isn't enough here to attract the hordes
2
13%
Maybe, unsure whether it will or not
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7%
 
Total votes: 15

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Will Bangsaphan go the same way as Hua Hin?

Post by buksida » 21 Jul 2009 10:08

I'm posting this poll to gauge general feeling of visitors and residents and partly in response to comments another member made about an influx of 'bad farangs' from Hua Hin and Bangkok spoiling their BS utopia.

Hua Hin in many ways used to be a little like Bangsaphan, quiet roads, few resident foreigners, and a scattering of small businesses that catered to them - this was around 12 years ago. Today Hua Hin is a sprawling metropolis which is increasingly attracting the worse kind of foreigner - in the past couple of years there have been shootings, property scams, fights between competing businesses, road rage, grassing to immigration, deportations, police raids, pedophilia, extortion, burglary, bribery and corruption. Just read the HHAD forum to get the gory details. The majority of these problems, I believe, are caused by 'bad apples' in the farang community - and there are a lot more apples now.

Do you think that Bangsaphan will go down the same path?

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Post by bajm » 21 Jul 2009 16:29

The most difficult to predict is the future of course. But if you look at what happened to Hua Hin over the past 12 years, I believe the same will happen to the Bang Saphan area. And I see that at this very moment, this process has already started.
Hua Hin is no longer attractive for many families from Bangkok, to spend their long weekend, so they move further south to Ban Krut and Bang Saphan. For instance in Ban Krut several luxury resorts have been build recently, which eventually will attract more farang tourists as well and among them the ‘bad apples’.

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Post by beenherelongerthanyou » 21 Jul 2009 19:34

I'm posting this poll to gauge general feeling of visitors and residents and partly in response to comments another member made about an influx of 'bad farangs' from Hua Hin and Bangkok spoiling their BS utopia


Perhaps I was too general in my post of bad farangs in Bang Saphan, for this I am sorry. However the absolute corect way and to the point way you describe Hua-Hin is exactly what I am speaking of starting to happen in Bang Saphan. Take the time to read some of the prior posts by residents of Bang Saphan and you will see the same ,I am quite sure. I really have no chip on my shoulder as you say, I do have a problem when I see farangs in shops in Bang Saphan
being outright rude to the thai's that do not speak or understand english, my point was this is thailand, and thai is the language here. If you bychance you speak and understand thai take the time to walk thru the day market and just listen to the old women talk you can learn more in 30 minutes than you can reading every paper in thailand about what is going on in Bang Saphan. And yes for the moment I do think Bang Saphan is Utopia, as I assume you thought the same of Hua-hin 12 years ago. I wish no hard feelings to no one and will try my best in the future posts to "put my tar brush away" as you said.

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Post by Big Boy » 22 Jul 2009 00:40

I am a 'rare' visitor to BS, but I avidly watch from afar. It'll probably please a few that I'm not even a great fan - too quiet for me, but each to his own.

What I read is a regular increase in Farang homes and businesses. Just one here, and one there for now. However, with land/property in Hua Hin being grossly overpriced, it is inevitable that more and more will look at what they can get in the BS area for their money. I believe the influx will increase to 2 here and 2 there. The local infrastructure will gradually improve to support more Farang and before you know it, word will get around and the great race to BS will start.

I don't think it'll happen this year or next, but maybe 10 to 15 years down the line.

To those of you enjoying the quiet life - enjoy it while you can.

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Post by migrant » 22 Jul 2009 08:10

I like the quiet places, and don't need to be surrounded by Falang things, and people. For that reason I like the Bang Saphan area down to Chumphon.

The wife (Thai) though is not yet convinced. Well it will be 2-3 years before we get there so time to work it out.

I guess my poll vote would be in the mid future

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Post by buksida » 22 Jul 2009 09:48

beenherelongerthanyou wrote: being outright rude to the thai's that do not speak or understand english, my point was this is thailand, and thai is the language here. If you bychance you speak and understand thai take the time to walk thru the day market and just listen to the old women talk you can learn more in 30 minutes than you can reading every paper in thailand about what is going on in Bang Saphan. And yes for the moment I do think Bang Saphan is Utopia, as I assume you thought the same of Hua-hin 12 years ago.
Agree with that one but the language issue is not limited just to Bangsaphan, it happens wherever farangs populate a town en-mass. Maybe I took your other comments too personally as I am one of those farangs from Hua Hin but am eager to leave it for all the reasons mentioned in my opening post. I hope BS stays as it is but I feel that as these other places deteriorate it will inevitably develop and bring with it those types that we're all trying to get away from.

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Post by beenherelongerthanyou » 24 Jul 2009 09:52

Big Boy
I hope you are right on your 10-15 year estimate, but in all honesty i saw Hua-hin go to hell in alot less time, as I am sure others will agree with.

Seems like I went to bed one night in Hua-hin and there were 50 farlangs ,when I woke up there were thousands. Last time I was there I went to the big mall and I thought I was in london or USA or someplace as dreadful. Prices went thru the roof on land, houses and condos. The condos you could buy in 97 for 1 million baht are now 4-6 million and that is insane .The price of land is even more absurd, I think people are out of there minds to pay what land goes for in Hua-hin, they seem to forget for all its beauty it is still a 3rd world country. And no matter how you play the it is in my name name game you could loose it tomorrow.
I got off to a bad start on this board, maybe I was rude or maybe I was honest. But I cannot believe that the anyone is happy to see the way Hua-hin, Phuket, and soon BS is headed. I love the thais and the thai ways, sure sometimes you gotta take a break from it , but the question I keep having to so many I hear bitching is " if where you came from is so great, why did you come here?

the big deal in the BKK post forum months ago was the farlangs complaining about the 150 baht service charge at ATM's for withdrawals. I thought about this and recommed that they go back to UK, USA or whereever and hook up with some old ,overweight women and sit on their back porch and drink wine with all the money they saved from ATM fees.. I got a lot of pissed off replys to that. It is like every body wants to go to heaven , But noone wants to die.

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Post by #6 » 24 Jul 2009 20:30

Usually do not get involved in these sort of forum polls as they are often a wind up or aimed at shunting opions, for whatever reasons, but feel compelled with this one.

Change is inevitable.Show me any place on Earth that has not been changed noticeably in recent times.
I've seen Thailand's population increase by some 30 million since my initial visit to the country so this fact alone means BIG changes anywhere without even factoring in the good or bad farangs .
Top this up with the technological change, and don't the Thais just love a new gadget- even if they cannot afford them, and what else could be expected.

And now I need to bring in the big daddy factor and that is MONEY.
Why would any self respecting local sit on a street corner selling bananas or dried prawns all day in the heat and rain for not much more than a pittance when they see that others are" raking it in" often without effort.It is only logical that they are forced to slug those that can afford it if they want to send their kids off to get a good education and a better life and more of those gadgets. And most are now aware that "big" people from Bkk and cashed up falangs are buying up large plots around THEIR town.So, the ball is off and rolling.Change is on the way for B.S. like it or not.
So to ask whether B.S ( known as "Sappers" to some ) will go the way of HH is so bleeding obvious it beggars belief.

Now I am not a pessimist, just a realist and hope that Sappers will be what it now is for as long as possible.
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Post by santabanjo » 04 Aug 2009 08:14

Never fear, when it happens you just sell up, take a big profit, and move to the next cheap paradise. Take Montri with you.

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Post by The Family » 19 Aug 2009 08:40

Thought we had better make our vote, but will not make any comments, as we think the forum is starting to become a bit bitchy!!!! :roll:

No. 2 will do.

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Post by buksida » 19 Aug 2009 08:43

The Family wrote:we think the forum is starting to become a bit bitchy!!!! :roll:
Maybe a reflection of those changes mentioned in the opening post?

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Post by beenherelongerthanyou » 21 Aug 2009 00:42

Buksida
You are oh so right my friend concerning you last reply. I think we both are on the same page,just take things too personal at times. I wish you luck in leaving Hua-Hin, almost like we all have to serve our time. I do not get around a computer much ,but will check back on your reply.

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Post by buksida » 25 Aug 2009 09:35

Personally I don't see any of the things in my opening post happening in BS, there are just too few foreigners permanently residing there. The ones that have been there a million years will stay out of sight usually and don't tend to socialise with other foreigners, there are exceptions though. All small towns will have a little gossip here and there between farangs but from my observations its relatively harmless, nobody has been deported after being grassed up by another farang or gunned down on their doorstep yet!

Internet forums are different as people can be a little more brazen whilst hiding behind anonymity.

From my time in HH I'd say all the trouble starts happening when farang businesses begin to multiply and they end up competing with each other, the pie is too small and they all want a slice of it. Those with big money bought over and paid-for local contacts usually come off better, the Hua Hin real estate industry is a prime example.

Let's hope BS is spared this scourge, by the looks of the votes we should be alright for a while!

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Post by dewdrop » 27 Aug 2009 19:31

The Family wrote:Thought we had better make our vote, but will not make any comments, as we think the forum is starting to become a bit bitchy!!!! :roll:
Who smelt it, dealt it... :?

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Post by cliveyten » 28 Aug 2009 14:36

All undeveloped areas do eventually become popular in time. I have travelled to many idyllic places throughout the world and seen them turn into thriving tourist attractions. My parents had some old pictures of Bournemouth when they went there on honeymoon just after the 1st World War, when it was just a pine forest with a few dirt roads with a few small guest houses. Now look at it! The old saying "Money attracts money" comes to mind. Peoples opinions do change in time.

While Buksida does say noone has yet got deported or shot, there was one farang who really upset some of the local Thai population and decided to leave for his own safety. He basically told porkies in front of the wrong people. He could have been deported for his actions on one particular occasion, but those involved knowing he was a sick man took sympathy on him.

Is the forum getting "bitchy" Everyone has a right to their own opinions. As for dealing in 'smells' that tends to be a bit personal towards certain individuals.

We local farangs are all trying to make Bang Saphan into a nicer place to visit/stay and good luck to those who have enough business acumen to try and make it so. As for fleecing individuals there is another section on the forum dealing with unfair treatment towards farangs and many instances where individuals have been overcharged. Local farangs are not just there trying to make a killing and move on. The rate of return on investment in Thailand overall is very slow and Bang Saphan is probably very,very slow.

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